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Dogecoin

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Subject appears non-notable. Sources restricted to blogs. Note what may be meatpuppetry occuring on the talk page. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 01:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


The user, Atomicthumbs, who nominated this article for deletion is a known troll. A screenshot of his post is visible here. The actual post is on the SomethingAwful YOSPOS forum, a known computer trolling forum. The actual post is here which may not be visible without an account.

I'm going to break down your own arguments and then attempt to refute them individually.

Argument #1:

  • "The subject appears non-notable".

This is probably the strongest argument against the doge wikipedia article as of yet. But there are already articles written about in on large websites such as heavy.com and dailydot.com. Judging how notable a subject like this is can be hard, but let's assume for a second that the amount of hits on google can be some sort of assessment of how notable a term is. If you search for "dogecoin" you get 119.000 results. If you search for another cryptocurrency like "peercoin" which has a wikipedia article you get 164.000 results. That's not a very large difference. And Peercoin has been out since 12 August 2012, while dogecoin was released December 6th, 2013..

  • "Sources restricted to blogs."

This is not true.

Coinmarketcap.com listed doge with a 3.5 million dollar market cap. Not sure why there is even a discussion on this articles deletion. Obviously this alt coin is bigger than 80% of the others on the market in way less time. Maybe the moderator is just confused, or doesn't know enough about crypto currency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.183.161 (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy.com has this article about dogecoin: http://www.heavy.com/tech/2013/12/dogecoin-what-is-shibe-cryptocurrenc/

The wikipedia article about heavy.com label it as a broadband entertainment website founded in 1999 in New York City. Clearly not a blog. The Alexa rank for heavy.com is 2,882.

The daily dot has this article about dogecoin: http://www.dailydot.com/business/shibe-meme-dogecoin-currency/

The wikipedia article about The daily dot label it as "an online newspaper that covers internet topics. It aims to be the "hometown newspaper" of the internet.[1][2] It has a 25 member editorial staff.". Clearly not a blog. Alexa rank: 11,716

Digital trends has this article about dogecoin: http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/wow-dogecoin-bitcoin/

The wikipedia article about Digital Trends label it as a "high-tech lifestyle, technology news and information website that publishes news, reviews, guides, how-to articles, descriptive videos and podcasts about technology and consumer electronics products". Alexa rank: 1,842

  • "Note what may be meatpuppetry occuring on the talk page"

This may or may not be true. Assuming this is true, perhaps a lockdown of the article is a better approach? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.62.142 (talk) 01:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alexa rank is irrelevant when determining whether a source is reliable. An article needs reliable sources to establish notability, and this article has none, likely because the subject is not notable. Heavy.com, The Daily Dot, and Digital Trends are not reliable news organizations. Please see WP:NEWSORG. Additionally, search engine hits should never be relied upon to prove notability (see WP:HITS). atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Geek.com's article says it's a weblog. Make of that what you will. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 03:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A mention in a list in a freelance columnist's column is not sufficient to establish significant coverage as per WP:SIGCOV. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 03:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral per being the article creator, however most of the sources actually aren't blogs, or at least that's the last time I checked such sources like Geekosystem, The Daily Dot, and Digital Trends. There have been quite a lot of these coins being nominated for deletion due to various reasons, most of them being WP:NOTABLE cases, that it's seemed to blur the lines quite a bit. [citation needed] 01:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I find it real hard to be neutral when the nominator himself can't. The majority of the sources listed aren't blogs, and I'm starting to wonder if Atomicthumbs have some sort of agenda, since he's seem unwilling to improve the article and would rather have it deleted as quickly as possible. Explain your comments here and also here. [citation needed] 12:08, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Atomicthumbs holds a sizeable holding in a competing currency... ! ;-) Mathmo Talk 14:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is a specific concept that requires significant coverage in a reliable source such as a news organization. Again, I don't think any of these qualify. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 06:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're going to ignore million dollar plus websites (yes, check out what they've been sold as) being run by a sizeable paid staff of writers? They're certainly significant. Mathmo Talk 14:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - many sources have been posted above. "I don't think any of these qualify" is not a reason to disregard them and delete the article. This is a clearly well known currency that has heavy coverage on many websites. --184.89.155.98 (talk) 07:59, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here is that it doesn't matter 'how' many websites something has been covered on; if none of them are a reliable source (which has a well-defined definition on Wikipedia), the subject is not notable. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 08:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - it may prove transient and ephemeral but it’s too soon to tell. At one point, that was also true of Wikipedia. In the meantime, It’s hilarious; which seems a good argument to me. Tim Bray (talk) 08:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 08:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - I'd wait a week before a final decision, as Dogecoin is still very new. If Dogecoin does become more mainstream, we can always recreate the article, right? Guineapigs (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 08:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Atomicthumbs is a Reddit user who just happens to not like DogeCoin and cryptocurrency in general, as you can see Here and here if he happens to remove his previous comments. Seeing as how this new information has come to light, I recommend the proposal be denied. The article stays. personal views do not give you the right to delete a wikipedia entry, I might dislike Hitler but it does not give me the right to delete Hitler's wikipedia page. 08:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.150.12 (talk)
    • I'm amused Atomicthumbs supports dollars "because it is backed by the US government"! lol.... much amused. Mathmo Talk 14:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Great post, thank you for this. This is a really, really clear conflict of interest. Atomicthumbs is a moderator of /r/shibe (the meme that Dogecoin is based on) and clearly has a personal vendetta, going around reddit and doing things like linking to the Wikipedia page on Monopoly Money when Dogecoin is mentioned. 184.89.155.98 (talk) 09:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to the article on monopoly money because the person in question (who was probably not from the United States) seemed to be interpreting the phrase (when someone else used it) as talking about money with an economic monopoly.

Taking my comments elsewhere out of context does not help your case, and does not help the fact that the subject of this article is not notable according to Wikipedia's standards. I am following procedure here; I want to keep Wikipedia a good, high-quality place to learn about things. (How does my participation in a meme site represent a conflict of interest in regards to a cryptocurrency article, anyway? If that's a conflict of interest, wouldn't actually using the cryptocurrency in question be more of a conflict of interest?)

In any case, the purpose for the AfD process is for Wikipedia users to reach a consensus. If people agree that it should stay, it stays! (And if you can find any reliable source for the article, instead of taking your time to allege a conflict of interest where none exists, it would help the article a great deal.) atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 10:25, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you are the moderator of /r/shibe then that very clearly opens you up to a huge huge huge case of COI. And this whole AfD should be rethought. Mathmo Talk 14:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
On top of the COI thanks to reddit comments, perhaps Atomicthumb would like to explain why up until July of 2012 he was a member of the "Wikipedians against notability", which openly states that deletions based on notability harm wikipedia? His argument here goes directly inverse to the morals of the groups he is a part of. This is straight up, pure and simple, a vote put up in bad faith to push an agenda. 184.89.155.98 (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The subject is definitely notable, as Dogecoin is the 4th most mined scrypt based currency and this rate is increasing quickly. The sources seem to be reliable to me. Can we have some explanation as to why the sources given above are not considered "reliable sources"? They appear to meet at least some of the Wikipedia definition of a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.81.144 (talk) 10:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have already explained on this page why the sources are not notable. In addition, the mining rate of the cryptocurrency does also not constitute notability, which has a specific definition on Wikipedia. If I created, say, Cosbycoin, a scrypt currency with a very low and unchanging difficulty and no limit on coins mined, and it rapidly rocketed to the top of the cryptocurrency mining rate charts, this would not make it notable. atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 10:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You actually have not explained why the sources are not "reliable sources" per the Wikipedia definition. The argument is hinging on the reliability of those sources, not your opinion of the coin's notability. Please provide your rationale on why those sources are not reliable or drop your case to have the article deleted. All you've done is link the page about reliable sources, but you did not provide any reason whatsoever why the sources quoted here do not meet that definition. Proof by assertion is not a valid way to make your point. 50.142.81.144 (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You've asserted they're not notable, that is a long way short of proving they're not notable. Especially when the majority of users here think otherwise about these multiple sources. Mathmo Talk 14:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No one would mine such a coin, as there would be no money to be made. Also, the coin is just over a week old! fivexthethird (talk) 12:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, that would not make it notable. But that isn't what is being asserted as notable here. It is the articles listed that you keep brushing aside as part of the COI you obviously have. As for Fivexthethird, Dogecoin is profitable and is actively mined by a large number of people. 184.89.155.98 (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Clear conflict of interest, as per 72.241.150.12. Additionally, I am going to try to find better sources. fivexthethird (talk) 12:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

People who edit wikipedia really are cockmonglers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.125.67.136 (talk) 13:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, 0.00000070 BTC/DOGE and a 4375 BTC market cap means it's got the 19th higest market cap of all cryptocurrencies already. obvious keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:470:DC2E:2:B165:B049:AFC8:B38F (talk) 13:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Doge has grown from a proof of concept to an actual cryptocurrency in a matter of days. I see no reason why you should delete a page. I have seen hundreds of pages that seem more useless than this one, who chop one of them off. There is a whole community popping up around Dogecoin. http://dogepay.com/ - http://dogepool.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.196.152 (talk) 13:47, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above arguments. --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 14:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Contrary to it's name this coin is just as legit as other cryptocurrencies and hence it deserves a page. Also the original poster displays an obvious conflict of interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.59.152 (talk) 15:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Let's forget the idea of the nominators conflict-of-interest for a moment, that (may be) a red herring. If the reliability of the sources is in question, someone should inquire about them at WP:RSN. They will be reviewed for reliability by third parties. This deletion discussion need not even be mentioned, so they could be totally impartial. If they are found to be reliable, Atomicthumbs' rationale for deletion will be demolished. Personally, I 1) own no dogecoins (or any other fake money), and never plan to, 2) was not asked to come here and am not a meatpuppet (thanks for poisoning the well though!) 68.81.104.224 (talk) 15:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am putting together an RSN post now. Thank you for the suggestion! atomicthumbs‽ (talk) 21:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep

Whether these or any other currencies are "fake money" is surely a topic for debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.62.142 (talk) 16:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

many keep The coin's market cap is higher than that of many other altcoins we have articles for, and Doge has generated significant media coverage and incredible growth in the mere two weeks or so it's existed.  — TORTOISEWRATH 16:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Much keep, such wow I find it hard to support the nomination if the nominator isn't acting in good faith. KonveyorBelt 16:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's definitely more real than a lot of other crypto currencies I've come across. 198.72.165.96 (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe this will be as huge as Bitcoin. We may keep it. Rekakaka (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove We can't have the goyim knowing about alternative currencies. This is like another shoah! Presentime (talk) 18:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This has gained the most popularity in the shortest time frame compared to any other cryptocurrency. There is no reason for this page to be deleted whatsoever. I think this coin will succeed. 20:23 15 December 2013
  • Keep It seems to be a rather popular alternative *coin, and rising in popularity very quickly. At least wait to see if the bubble bursts and it fades into obscurity, but as it is now it seems notable. 77.98.70.62 (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It may be somewhat of a joke or a parody on cryptocurrencies, but it still is noteworthy. BureX (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep it because it's an important part of the internet, this currency will be in our history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.116.221 (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep AfD nominator has clear CoI. Has one of the highest market caps for an altcoin, and certainly it would be useful for people wondering what Dogecoin is to be able to read a serious article about it on Wikipedia, instead of a wow-interspersed joke article on some techblog. 108.45.75.50 (talk) 20:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep Notability established above per many, many posts. It seems like there is a lot of users now sourcing claims and the article seems like it will assert its notability from now and going forward.
On the subject of the COI, nominator is in clear COI. /r/shibe is an SRS-affiliated subreddit, and SRS (radical feminist social-justice group, with a penchant towards marxism) has voiced strong opposition to cryptocurrencies in the past. There may be political ties that have not been seen until now. It is clear that the nominator was acting in bad faith in an attempt in inject his ideology, as SRS has attempted to do in the past. Whether AT is a member of SRS is to be seen, but there is, in my opinion, no doubt that he was not trying to delete this for the good of Wikipedia, but rather for personal reasons. Acebulf (talk) 20:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum [1][2] It seems like the nominator is a member of SRS, which explains his motives behind trying to censor the article. Acebulf (talk) 21:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This cryptocurrency is still in its infancy, but it is gaining popularity fast. It has been reported on a few news outlets so far as stated by others, and will continue to grow. There is no need to delete this page - maybe in a few weeks if this just crashes, but at this rate, I doubt it. Furthermore, there's increasing evidence that the whole reason why this has been tagged for speedy deletion is from some member on the infamous "troll" forum SomethingAwful decided to push this through to rustle everybody. If you ask me, that's a direct violation of my Wikipedia Freedoms™ and I will not stand for it. If they are successful in the deletion of this page, I predict Wikipedia would lose much members and would eventually die with the Dogecoin page. 173.63.40.164 (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admin note: I've semi-protected this page due to the flood of single purpose accounts and IPs recruited from other sites. While I have no evidence to support the idea of sockpuppetry, this does seem to be a violation of our meatpuppetry guideline. Note that arguments not grounded in Wikipedia policy will be discarded by the closing administrator. See here for more details. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Evidence you say? It seems they have a COI as well. Antonio López (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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